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In recent years, Schema Therapy has experienced unprecedented growth in Iran and around the world. This expansion has created remarkable scientific opportunities\u2014but it has also led to the emergence of trends that sometimes present themselves as \u201cinnovation\u201d or \u201ctheorizing,\u201d while in fact drifting away from scientific standards.<\/p>

In this special interview with SchemaNews, **Dr. Mohammad Faghanpour\u2014ISST-certified international trainer and supervisor\u2014clarifies the boundary between \u201ccreativity\u201d and \u201cdeviation,\u201d integrating key insights from his keynote lecture on World Schema Therapy Day, titled \u201cThe Phoenix of Joy Rising from the Fire of Crisis.\u201d<\/p>

Full Interview<\/h1>

Question 1 | Why has the issue of \u201ccreativity vs. deviation\u201d become so crucial in Schema Therapy today?<\/h2>

Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

Because Schema Therapy is a research-based, highly structured model established over decades of empirical studies, clinical experience, and international scientific collaboration.<\/p>

Yet today, as the popularity of Schema Therapy grows, we are witnessing two parallel phenomena:<\/p>

  1. Necessary and valuable scientific innovation, and<\/p><\/li>

  2. Non-scientific deviation, which distorts the model<\/p><\/li><\/ol>

    If the boundary between these two is not clearly defined, Schema Therapy can gradually devolve into a set of personal interpretations, cultural judgments, or improvised models.<\/p>

    This is precisely what I refer to as a \u201ccrisis of identity in Schema Therapy.\u201d<\/p>

    Question 2 | Some claim that adding new schemas or new modes is a form of innovation. What is your opinion?<\/h2>

    Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

    Innovation is meaningful only when it meets scientific requirements:<\/p>

    • A clear operational definition<\/p><\/li>

    • Testability and replicability<\/p><\/li>

    • Integration with existing literature, or a well-argued scientific critique<\/p><\/li>

    • Empirical evidence<\/p><\/li>

    • Peer review and ISST scientific evaluation<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

      But what we see in certain circles includes:<\/p>

      • Creating schemas based on cultural or value-based judgments<\/p><\/li>

      • Inventing new modes without theoretical grounding<\/p><\/li>

      • Redefining coping styles into new three-part or multi-layer models<\/p><\/li>

      • Turning personal clinical impressions into \u201ctheory\u201d<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

        These are not innovations\u2014<\/p>

        They are deviations.<\/p>

        **Creativity means adding to the model;<\/h3>

        Deviation means distorting it.**<\/p>

        Question 3 | In your keynote lecture, you emphasized the metaphor \u201cThe Phoenix of Joy Rising from the Fire of Crisis.\u201d How does this relate to Schema Therapy today?<\/h2>

        Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

        The metaphor highlights that every major transformation is born from crisis\u2014if the crisis is understood correctly.<\/p>

        Today, Schema Therapy faces two intertwined crises:<\/p>

        1. A Scientific Crisis<\/h3>

        Marked by superficial interpretations, technique-driven practice, and the spread of eclectic shortcuts.<\/p>

        2. A Professional Identity Crisis<\/h3>

        Where individuals with no formal training, no personal therapy, and no clinical supervision begin practicing psychotherapy.<\/p>

        In my keynote, I referred to this phenomenon as:<\/p>

        \u201cWild Psychoanalysis\u201d<\/h3>

        It:<\/p>

        • Damages the therapeutic relationship<\/p><\/li>

        • Confuses the client<\/p><\/li>

        • Distorts the model<\/p><\/li>

        • And, most importantly, mislabels itself as \u201cSchema Therapy\u201d<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

          When in reality, it has no connection to ST.<\/p>

          Question 4 | What is WILD and how does it create deviation?<\/h2>

          Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

          WILD refers to:<\/p>

          • Superficial psychology<\/p><\/li>

          • Technique-centered shortcuts<\/p><\/li>

          • Speed over depth<\/p><\/li>

          • Celebrity-style teaching<\/p><\/li>

          • Attractive but shallow methods<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

            It is a form of entertainment psychology, not clinical science.<\/p>

            When WILD enters Schema Therapy:<\/p>

            • Technique replaces process<\/p><\/li>

            • Superficial interpretation replaces deep emotional work<\/p><\/li>

            • And therapists begin making dangerous assumptions without personal therapy or supervision<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

              This is exactly the environment in which deviations flourish.<\/p>

              Question 5 | You explained in your lecture how the ISST professional pathway prevents deviation. How does it work?<\/h2>

              Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

              The ISST pathway is designed as a scientific safety system.<\/p>

              Its structure includes:<\/p>

              • Formal certified training<\/p><\/li>

              • Extensive supervision<\/p><\/li>

              • Recorded case submissions<\/p><\/li>

              • Clinical experience with complex cases<\/p><\/li>

              • Development of supervisory skills<\/p><\/li>

              • Ability to teach the model professionally<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

                This ensures that the therapist:<\/p>

                • Understands the model deeply<\/p><\/li>

                • Does not replace theory with personal interpretation<\/p><\/li>

                • And can navigate complex cases without creating distortions<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

                  The length and rigor of the pathway<\/h3>

                  is exactly what prevents dangerous shortcuts.<\/p>

                  Question 6 | You often speak of the four pillars of scientific clinical practice. How do they prevent deviation?<\/h2>

                  1. Scientific Education<\/h3>

                  \u00a0\u2192 prevents rootless additions<\/h3>

                  2. Personal Therapy<\/h3>

                  \u00a0\u2192 prevents therapist\u2019s schemas from shaping the model<\/h3>

                  3. Professional Supervision<\/h3>

                  \u00a0\u2192 prevents technical drift<\/h3>

                  4. The repeated use of \u201cI don\u2019t know\u201d<\/h3>

                  \u00a0\u2192 prevents dangerous overconfidence<\/h3>

                  \u201cI don\u2019t know\u201d is not a weakness;<\/p>

                  It is the foundation of professional integrity.<\/p>

                  Deviation always begins when a therapist says:<\/p>

                  \u201cI know\u2014even without research.\u201d<\/p>

                  Question 7 | What is your message for the Schema Therapy community?<\/h2>

                  Dr. Faghanpour:<\/p>

                  We are at a critical moment.<\/p>

                  Schema Therapy is now a global clinical language.<\/p>

                  Iran plays an important role in this growth\u2014but only if we remain:<\/p>

                  • Loyal to scientific research<\/p><\/li>

                  • Cautious of emotional shortcuts<\/p><\/li>

                  • Committed to supervision and training<\/p><\/li>

                  • And oriented toward scientific\u2014not personal\u2014innovation<\/p><\/li><\/ul>

                    As I said in my keynote:<\/p>

                    **\u201cInnovation is the scientific response to crisis;<\/h3>

                    Deviation is the emotional reaction to crisis.\u201d**<\/p>

                    Final Summary for SchemaNews.org<\/h1>

                    This interview provides a clear perspective on the current challenges and opportunities within Schema Therapy. By integrating the key themes of the \u201cPhoenix of Joy\u201d keynote with an analytical view of the contemporary ST landscape, it offers a comprehensive, compelling, and scientifically grounded framework for ongoing professional discussion.<\/p><\/div>\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t\t\t<\/div>\n\t\t","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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